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Vatican
and
Jesuits
Nailed
Again In
Two More
Federal
Lawsuits
Ignored
By
Mainstream
and
Alternative
Media
As
Jesuit
Gen. and
Black
Pope
retires
this
month,
he still
refuses
to
answer
U.S.
critics
but
decides
to be
interviewed
by
"controlled
media"
-- this
time a
Dutch TV
station
in his
home
country.
By
Greg
Szymanski,
JD
Jan. 4,
2008
A
quick
glance
at past
corruption
and
perverted
news
circulating
through
the U.S.
this New
Year
shows
the
Jesuit
and
Vatican
hierarchy
"up to
their
dirty
necks"
in bad
publicity.
Bad
publicity
and
dirty
lawsuits
the
Vatican-led
NWO and
their
media
minions
like
Alex
Jones,
Glen
Beck and
many
others
are
desperately
trying
to
cover-up.
For
example,
take the
case of
O'Bryan
et al.
v. Holy
See,
filed in
the
United
States
District
Court in
the
Western
District
of
Kentucky
at
Louisville.
The
case,
filed
years
ago,
seeks to
hold
accountable
The Holy
See and
Vatican
for
perpetrating
and
allowing
sexual
abuse,
including
pedophile
rings,
to
plague
the
American
people
without
providing
proper
warnings
and
taking
proper
steps to
stop the
abuse,
thus
silently
condoning
aiding
and
abetting
in the
crimes.
Regarding
the many
allegations
made by
the
plaintiffs,
on Jan
10,
2007,
Chief
Judge
John G.
Heyburn
II,
dropped
the
negligence,
deceit
and
misrepresentation
claims,
but left
the
following
claims
open for
litigation:
"Therefore,
the
following
claims,"
ruled
Judge
Heyburn,
"remain
against
The Holy
See:
negligent
failure
to
report,
negligent
failure
to warn,
breach
of
fiduciary
duty,
outrage
and
emotional
distress,
violations
of
customary
laws of
human
rights
and
claims
under
the
doctrine
of
respondeat
superior."
According
to some
anti-Vatican
researchers,
the
O'Bryan
case may
provide
an
answer
to who
really
was
responsible
and
instigated
the huge
sexual
abuse
and
pedophile
epidemics
in the
U.S.
They say
the case
provides
clear
evidence
that the
Vatican
hierarchy
conspired
to bring
about a
"sordid
and
sick"
plague
of
sexual
abuse
and
pedophile
rings to
the
American
shores
for a
dual
satanic
purpose:
one
being to
foster
the
worst
kind of
sexual
depravity
to
disrupt
the
American
family
and,
two, to
destroy
it's own
Church
from
within,
leading
the way
to One
World
religion
run by
the
satanic
Vatican
hierarchy.
However,
considering
the
magnitude
of this
case why
has it
never
been
mentioned
by the
mainstream
or
alternative
NWO
media
hacks,
most who
blame
the Jews
for
America's
NWO
problems?
Could it
be that
it's
hacks
like
Jones
and Beck
are told
to lay
off
stories
like the
O'Bryan
cases
since
it's
impossible
to cover
up hard
facts
about
Vatican
corruption
and NWO
order
involvement,
leaving
their
only
alternative,
which is
to
completely
ignore
stories
involving
hard
court
documents
and
facts.
Another
case
completely
ignored
by the
abovementioned
media
hacks
and
many of
their
NWO
followers
in the
mainstream
and
alternative
media is
Alperin
v.
Vatican
Bank,
where
the
Vatican
openly
admitted
in a San
Francisco
federal
court
their
involvement
in the
genocide
of more
than
800,000
Serbs,
Romas
and Jews
between
1941-45.
After
eight
years,
the case
against
the
Vatican
was
dismissed
on a
technicality,
the
major
issues
never
being
ruled on
by the
federal
judge
who
appears
to be
taking
the easy
way out
while at
the same
time
protecting
the
Vatican.
Jon
Levy,
attorney
for the
plaintiffs,
said he
wasn't
surprised
by the
ruling
and was
in the
process
of
filing
an
immediate
appeal.
"The
news
black
out on
Vatican
Bank,
even by
legal
and
catholic
media,
is
amazing,
yours
was the
only
story so
far,"
said
Levy,
referring
to
the
story
appearing
in the
Arctic
Beacon.
Although
the
Vatican
Bank was
dismissed,
he
wasn't
sure
about
the
status
of the
Franciscan
Order,
also
named
defendants
in the
genocide
case.
In the
case,
information
came
forward
showing
the
Franciscans
were not
only
instrumental
in
organizing
the
genocide
but
actually
took
part in
the
physical
torture
and
killing.
"The bar
was set
high in
this
case and
the
major
issues
were not
ruled
on by
the
court,
however,
we will
appeal,"
said
Levy on
Greg
Szymanski's
Radio
Show,
The
Investigative
Journal,
where
all of
Levy's
comments
can
be heard
on the
Dec 27,
2007,
archive
of the
show
located
at
www.arcticbeacon.com
One of
the
major
issues
Levy
referred
to was a
Nov. 6,
2006,
motion
made
by the
Pope's
private
attorney
where he
admitted
the
Vatican's
involvement
in the
genocide,
but said
it was
justified
by
international
law.
"The
court
skirted
that
issue by
dismissing
on
technical
grounds,"
said
Levy.
"You
mean to
tell me
that
Cardinal
Mahoney
in Los
Angeles
doesn't
use a
Vatican
bank
account?"
Alperin
v.
Vatican
Bank was
originally
filed in
Federal
Court in
San
Francisco
in
November
1999.
The
plaintiffs
are
concentration
camp
survivors
of Serb,
Jewish,
and
Ukrainian
background
and
their
relatives
as well
as
organizations
representing
over
800,000
Holocaust
victims.
The
plaintiffs
seek an
accounting
and
restitution
of the
Nazi
Croatian
Treasury
that
according
to the
U.S.
State
Department
was
illicitly
transferred
to the
Vatican
Bank,
the
Franciscan
Order
and
other
banks
after
the end
of the
war.
Defendants
currently
include
the
Vatican
Bank and
Franciscan
Order.
These
defendants
combined
to
conceal
assets
looted
by the
Croatian
Nazis
from
concentration
camp
victims,
Serbs,
Jews,
Roma and
others
between
1941-1945.
Besides
the two
cases
mentioned
above
being
covered-up
by the
media,
perhaps
the
biggest
cover-up
of them
all, in
terms of
money
being
allegedly
looted
by the
Vatican
and its
minions,
is the
case of
George
Dale, in
his
official
capacity
as
Receiver
of
Franklin
Protective
Life
Ins.
Co., et
al., v.
Emilio
Colagiovanni,
et al.,
defendants
including
the
Vatican
and Holy
See,
filed in
the
United
States
District
Court
for
the
Southern
District
of
Mississippi.
The
federal
case,
being
ignored
by the
media,
includes
at least
six
state
insurance
commissioners
as
plaintiffs,
who are
alleging
that the
Holy See
through
one of
its
agents,
defendant
Colagiovanni,
bilked
the
people
out of
at least
a
billion
dollars
in
insurance
money
through
scams
and
outright
fraud.
Presently,
the case
is in
the
pleading
stages
and the
judge is
being
asked to
rule on
a
Vatican
motion
questioning
whether
Colagiovanni
"had
the
authority
to act
on
behalf
of the
Holy
See.?"
Although
huge in
financial
proportions,
alleging
Vatican
corruption
in
matters
far
removed
from
religious
concerns,
the
question
must be
asked:
Why is
it being
ignored
by the
media?
And does
the
Vatican
have so
much
power
and
control
that it
can stop
the
presses
at its
beckoned
call?
In
Alaska,
the
following
story
appeared
today
regarding
the
Jesuit
General's
"Black
Pope",
Fr'
Peter
Hans
Kolvenbach's
"Men in
Black':
In
comparison,
it
appears
the
media is
given
"the OK"
to cover
stories
about
sexual
abuse
concerning
Vatican
underlings.
For
example,
read the
following
report
filed
Jan 4,
2008
Jesuits
settle
Colville
Reservation
abuse
claims
for $4.8
million
THE
ASSOCIATED
PRESS
SPOKANE,
Wash. --
A $4.8
million
agreement
has been
reached
to
settle
claims
by 16
people
who said
they
were
sexually
abused
by
Jesuit
priests
decades
ago at
an
Indian
school
near
Omak.
The
settlement
with the
Oregon
Province
of the
Society
of
Jesus,
which
oversees
Jesuit
activities
in
Washington,
Idaho,
Montana,
Oregon
and
Alaska,
also
requires
the
Roman
Catholic
order to
raise at
least
$200,000
within a
year to
pay for
a
homeless
shelter
or
homeless
services
in the
Omak
area.
The
settlement,
reported
Friday
by The
Spokesman-Review
newspaper,
brings
total
payments
by the
Jesuits
to about
$73
million
in 194
sex
abuse
complaints,
including
$50
million
paid to
more
than 100
Alaska
Natives
who said
they
were
victimized
by 15
Jesuit
priests,
brothers
and
others.
"I'm
sorry
for the
pain and
suffering
this has
caused,"
said the
Rev.
John D.
Whitney,
superior
of the
Oregon
Province.
"We can
only now
hope
for
healing."
Jesuit
leaders
hope to
resolve
about 11
pending
claims
in
the
province
without
resorting
to
bankruptcy,
although
settlements
to
date
have
cost the
order
nearly
all of
its
investment
funds,
Whitney
said.
"We're
running
pretty
close to
the
line,"
he said.
"If
bankruptcy
becomes
necessary,
we will
be
prepared,
though
it is
not
imminent
in any
way."
The
latest
settlement
covers
accusations
by
people
who
attended
St.
Mary's
Mission
and
School
on the
Colville
Reservation
in the
1960s
and
early
'70s
against
the Rev.
John J.
Morse,
who now
lives in
Spokane,
and
James
Gates, a
Jesuit
brother
now
living
in
Michigan.
Both are
bound
by what
Jesuit
leaders
describe
as a
"safety
plan,"
including
a
requirement
that
they be
escorted
when
they
leave
their
residence
building.
Morse,
who was
removed
from Our
Lady of
Fatima
church
in Moses
Lake in
2006,
has
denied
the
accusations
against
him.
And
while
corruption
abounds
and the
Jesuits
and
Vatican
are
being
exposed
like
never
before
in the
U.S.,
the Nazi
Pope
Ratzinger
will
arrive
in
America
this
spring
and will
be
honored
by the
Bush
Administration
as "a
Man of
Peace"
while
also
being
allowed
to speak
at
Ground
Zero.
"If the
truth be
known,
we would
find the
Pope
being
complicit
in 9/11
and we
would
also
find out
he backs
the
Iraqi
War
privately
but
publicly
says
otherwise,"
said one
Protestant
patriot
who
refuses
to bow
down to
the
Pope's
temporal
power in
America,
a
subject
never
mentioned
in the
U.S.
media.
"If the
Pope is
against
the War,
why
would he
even
meet
with
a man
like
Bush
unless
they are
secretly
working
together
in
fighting
the
Pope's
Crusade
in the
Middle
East.
While
the Pope
is
planning
to kiss
American
soil
when he
first
gets off
the
plane, a
sign to
his NWO
minions
that he
owns
this
country,
the
Black
Pope and
Jesuit
Gen., is
planning
to
retire
this
month,
something
which is
unusual
for
Jesuit
Generals
who
usually
remain
in their
position
of power
for
life.
"I have
studied
Jesuit
history
and
never
before
have
they
been
exposed
like
they
have in
the U.S.
due to
efforts
of a a
few
people
who
still
consider
the
Protestant
Reformation
and its
principles
important,"
said
Eric Jon
Phelps,
author
of
Vatican
Assassins.
"Jesuits
like to
work
under
the
cover of
darkness
and I
think
Kolvenbach
has
become
too high
profile.
This may
be one
reason
he is
leaving,
among
others."
It is
also
interesting
to note
that
Kolvenbach
refuses
to
answer
his
critics
in the
U.S.,
turning
down an
interview
in the
Arctic
Beacon.
While he
refuses
to
answer
questions
about
Jesuit
intrigue
throughout
history
and
accusations
that his
band of
merry
"Men in
Black"
in the
U.S. are
traitors
working
for the
interests
of the
NWO and
a
foreign
potentate
-- the
Pope --
Kolvenbach
recently
gave an
interview
in
controlled
Dutch
news
outlet,
where
questions
only
presented
the
Jesuits
in a
"good
and
glowing
light."
Further,
if the
Jesuits
are just
an
insignificant
band of
merry
priests,
why is
the
crowning
of a new
Jesuit
Gen.
such a
big
deal.
Here is
a
Jesuit
blog's
announcement
of the
ceremony
going on
in Rome
in order
to
select a
new
Jesuit
General:
Over the
next
four
days,
Rome’s
Jesuit
population
will
increase
by about
50
percent.
The
Society
of
Jesus’
35th
General
Congregation,
convoked
to
elect a
new
superior
general,
begins
Monday
morning
with
Mass in
Rome’s
Gesu
Church,
the site
of the
tomb of
St.
Ignatius,
the
Jesuit
founder.
The 225
delegates
to the
General
Congregation
will be
joined
by many
of
the 446
Jesuits
who live
and work
or study
in Rome
full
time.
About 20
of the
delegates
live in
Rome,
working
at the
Jesuit
headquarters,
the
Jesuit-run
Pontifical
Gregorian
University
or at
the
Vatican,
like
Jesuit
Father
Federico
Lombardi,
director
of the
Vatican
Press
Office,
Vatican
Radio
and the
Vatican
Television
Center.
The
remaining
200 are
being
housed
in
remodeled
or
modified
rooms in
Jesuit
institutions
all over
the
city.
While
reporters
are not
allowed
into the
General
Congregation
sessions,
several
Jesuits
are
preparing
to share
the
inside
story
with
cybernauts:
U.S.
Jesuit
Father
Don
Doll, an
award-winning
photographer,
already
is
in Rome
and
posting
photos
on his
site;
U.S.
Father
Thomas
Rochford,
the
head of
communications
for the
Jesuits,
has a
blog and
a
relatively
new
podcast
going;
and, of
course,
the
Jesuit
press
office
has
prepared
a
Web site
to keep
Jesuits
and
other
readers
informed.
And here
is the
complete
interview
by the
Dutch
news
outlet
with
Kolvenbach,
conducted
over the
Christmas
holidays.
The
interview
is
roughly
translated
into
English:
Christmas
special
of the
convent
series
in Rome.
Leo
Fijen is
at guest
at
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach,
superior
general
of the
largest
convent
order
in the
world,
which of
the
Jesuits.
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
I prefer
to be
'Black
Pope'
than 'Éminence
Grise',
so...
grey
eminence
who
works
behind
the
scenes.
That is
not the
intention
at all
of a
'Black
Pope',
but
rather,
yes…
providing
a large
service
to the
church
this
way.
Leo
Fijen
(speaking
to
public):
Good
afternoon,
and
welcome
at
Kruispunt
from
Rome. On
the
feast of
Christmas
I
firstly
of
course
wish you
a
glorious
Christmas.
You saw
and
heard
the
Dutchman
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach.
He is
already
almost
25 years
the
Superior
General
of the
Jesuits,
already
almost
25 years
the boss
of
20,000
Jesuits
over the
whole
world,
for this
reason
he has
influence,
much
influence,
up into
the
Vatican,
even
till the
pope.
And for
this
reason
he is
also
called
the
'Black
Pope' ,
well,
that
'Black
Pope',
has
behind
here his
headquarter,
and in
that
headquarter
I talk
with
him,
about
his
work,
his
life,
and
about
how his
day
looks
like.
Leo
Fijen:
How late
does
your day
start?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
Well,
that eh,
is, in
fact not
for
publicity,
but
I start
each day
at 03.00
a.m.,
yes,
that's
perhaps
a bit
early,
but
that are
the
bests
moments
of the
day.
Leo
Fijen:
Why are
they the
best
moments
of the
day?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
Yes,
because
there is
silence,
it is
quiet,
you
do not
get
interferred
and then
you can
also see
with the
lord:
how do
we go
further?
Leo
Fijen:
That is
..
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
And that
comes a
bit,
because
in the
Middle
East,
3 a.m.,
4 a.m.,
in the
morning
is not
late.
Leo
Fijen:
That is
a
contemperative
beginning
of the
day.
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
Yes.
Leo
Fijen:
And do
you need
that? To
be able
to allow
all
those
visits,
all
those
meetings,
all
those
questions
in your
heart?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
I
believe
so.
Leo
Fijen
(speaking
to
public):
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach
was born
almost
eighty
years
ago in
Druten.When
he was
19 he
joined
the
order of
the
Jesuits
which
lives to
the
example
of their
founder
Ignatius.
In 1983
he
was
chosen
Superior
General
of the
Jesuits.
(Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach
(far in
the
background):
Yes,
that,
that
church
is
old...)
Leo
Fijen
(speaking
to
public):
He
explains
why he
gladly
starts
the
day in
silence:
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
We have
learned
from
Ignatius,
like in
a psalm
stands,
for, the
servant
who
looks at
to the
hands of
the
master,
what
does he
want?
And for
us as
Jesuit,
it is
very
important
to know:
what
does the
Lord
want
from me?
What is
my
calling?
What is
my
mission?
What
is my
work?
And this
way, the
contemplation
is more,
yes,
searching
for
what the
Lord
wants
from us,
today,
in al
the
work,
what he
has
entrusted
us.
Leo
Fijen:
And
therefore
it
means,
that
that
always
starts
in
silence?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
that it
always
starts
in
silence
and also
returns
to
silence.
Leo
Fijen:
Well, I
find
that
very
meaningful,
because
we live
in a
world
in which
that
silence…
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
Ehh,
actually
isn't
there.
Because
it not
only
concerns
extreme
external
silence,
but it
concerns
inner
silence.
And
that is
what we
really
need, to
be able
to bring
to the
people
what the
Lord
wants
what we
bring.
Leo
Fijen:
And if
you live
this
way,
being
silent
in the
night,
to know
what the
Lord
asks of
us, does
a man
actually
need a
vacation
?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
Nou,
ghehh,
that is
a
painful
question,
because
I
have had
always
trouble
to go on
vacation.
But that
must be
no
reason,
for
nobody,
to
follow
my
example
on this
point.
Leo
Fijen:
Why do
you have
difficulty
to go on
vacation?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
I don't
know, I
am
always
gladly
busy.
And a
day
where I
would
not know
what I
would
have to
do,
would be
a
difficulty.
Leo
Fijen:
yes, is
that a
lost day
then?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
That
would be
a lost
day.
Leo
Fijen:
What a
work
ethic...
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
But on
this
point
nobody
must
follow
me.
Leo
Fijen
(speaking
to
public):
I stand
here for
the
headquarters
of the
Jesuits
in Rome.
And here
I talk
with
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach
concerning
the
task,
the task
of the
Jesuits,
in this
world.
Because
they are
everywhere,
these
followers
of the
founder
Ignatius.
From
Tibet to
Cuba,
from
China to
Amsterdam.
They are
then
also not
called
for
nothing
'borderexplorers'.
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
We
always
feel at
home,
more at
Saint
Paul,
than
at the
other
Apostels,
because
Saint
Paul,
wanted
to bring
the
heart of
the
church
to the
borders
of the
church.
And
Saint
Ignatius
also
felt
that
that was
his
calling,
and he
has
passed
that on
to the
Jesuits.
Therefore
Saint
Paul
went to
Greece,
in
Athens
on the
Areopaag,
to speak
there,
with the
wise men
of his
time
about
the
'unknown
God.'
Leo
Fijen:
You
therefore
in fact
are able
to say
that
Jesuits
are,
almost
the
explorers
of our
church,
eh,
because
they go
always
to the
borders
of the
faith.
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
That is
what we
gladly
will do,
and what
we feel
that our
calling
is.
Leo
Fijen:
Explorers
of the
faith...
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
Explorers
of the
faith...
yes..
Leo
Fijen:
Beautiful
word,
'explorers'
..
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
But
difficult
to carry
out...
Leo
Fijen
(speaking
to
public):
...because
the
'explorers
of the
faith'
are
faced
with the
large
questions
of this
time.
Kolvenbach
is clear
about
this:
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
The most
difficult
questions
are
certainly
in the
bio-ethica,
as it is
called,
this
means,
the
beginning
and the
end of
every
human
life.
But not
only
that,
there
remains
a large
difficulty
of
the
injustice
or the
poverty
in the
world,
at the
moment,
we know
that
the
technique,
and the
science,
have the
possibility
to make
an end
to
the
hunger
in the
world,
but it
is not
done. We
CAN do
it, but
we do
not
WANT to
do it.
And that
is, a
problem
that
becomes
a
spiritual
problem,
the
conversion
of our
heart, a
heart
which
works
not only
for
itself,
but, as
Christ
has
taught
us, is
always
there
for the
other.
And
particularly
my
predecessor,
Father
Adruppe,
has
spread
that
motto as
it
were ,
in the
complete
world,
for men
and
women to
be, FOR
others
and
WITH
others.
And that
is, eh,
a large
task of
our
time. We
speak of
globalisation,
and I
have the
impression
that the
world
has
never
been
so
divived
then
today
Leo
Fijen:
And does
that
disunion
also
belongs,
of the
collision
of
cultures
and the
collision
of
faiths?
That
also
ensure
much
disunion?
The
collision
between
Christianity
and
Islam
for
example?
I
believe
that
that
belongs
there
to, but
then we
would
have to
go a bit
deeper.
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
I
believe
that
belongs
there
to, but
then we
will
have
look to
at, as
it
happens,
the
lord, as
an
inventor,
has
wanted,
a
large
diversity.
Therefore
when in
the
first
page of
the
bible,
there
the Lord
starts
separating
the
ground
and the
sea, the
light of
the day
and the
darkness
of the
night,
he makes
everything
as
several
possible
as but
slightly
is
possible,
because,
as it
happens,
the
diversity
is,
enrichment.
Imagine
if all
the
flowers
would be
exactly
the
same. It
would be
not
beautiful,
but the
beauty
of the
inventor,
shows
himself
in
the
diversity
of the
creation.
And then
the
drama,
which we
use all
that
diversity,
in one
or the
other
manner,
which
can be a
diversity
of race,
of
color,
of
language,
of
social
status,
which we
use to
fight
with
each
other.
And that
is, what
brings
about
this
bump of
cultures,
what in
fact
would
have
enriched
us, that
we are
different,
is in
fact
used to
hate
each
other,
with all
the
violence
that is
linked
to that.
Leo
Fijen
(speaking
to
public):
With
Christmas
we also
sing
here in
Rome
about
'peace
on
earth',
but that
peace
was
frequently
far gone
for
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach.
For
example
on
November
16 1989,
because
then 6
Jesuits
were
murdered
in El
Salvador.
Right
after
the
murder
on
Archbishop
Romero.
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
In that
night of
16th
November,
the
soldiers
came
in the
house,
and shot
down 6
Jesuits,
also the
housewife
and her
daughter.
Ramels
en
Beliza.
Now,
this has
given a
large
shock,
also in
the
church,
as such,
the army
has
defended
itself
by
saying
that the
Jesuits
were
Communists,
that
they
were
Marxists,
because
if you
on one
or other
manner
set your
self in
for
human
rights,
, you
already
became
considered
as as
left or
as
Marxist,
whereas
the
Jesuits
have
always
repeated,
we do
not do
this for
Karl
Marx,
but for
Christ
we have
been
prepared
to take
all
these
risks.
Leo
Fijen:
Have you
been
touched
personally?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
It has
touched
me
personally,
because
I had
been
there
and had
spoken
much
with
them and
spoke
about if
it was
not
better
if some
of them,
which
were in
very
contact
with the
FMNL -
which
was
the
armed
resistence
- or if
it would
not be
better
not
better
would
be,
if they
would
leave
the
country.
Because,
there
were
already
threats
and
that
were
then
really
personal
conversations
to see
what
they
said:
`Well,
we
believe
that we
must do
this, as
religious,
as
priests,
as
Christians.
Leo
Fijen:
Has it
been a
depthpoint
for you?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
A depth,
eh, a
peak. A
peakpunt,
in the
sense,
that it
has
shown
us, yes,
in which
direction
we must
go
further.
Leo
Fijen:
Death…
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
For the
other ..
Leo
Fijen:
For the
other
one, you
have
shown in
which
direction
you had
to go
further
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
And that
is also
the
direction
in
which,
Johannes
Paulus,
at that
occasion
has
blinked.
Leo
Fijen:
And that
direction
is?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
And that
direction
is,
which we
can not
only but
to
believe
in
theory,
when we
really
believe
in
Christ,
then we
also
believe
in the
fact
that he
has
given
the best
of His
life to
the ones
which
were in
need.
And
carry
that
mission
out till
the day
of
today.
Leo
Fijen
(speaking
to
public):
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach
is
almost
80
years.
He has
spent a
large
part of
his life
in the
Middle
East, in
Baroet
and he
has
learned
there
what it
meant to
live in
the
middle
of a
war. He
has
carried
that
experience
with him
in the
rest of
his
life.
And he
told me
about
that on
this
first
Christmas
day,
here in
Rome, on
the
festival
of
peace.
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
I remind
my very
well,
the war
in
Beirut.
And
that was
rather
different,
because
that was
actual -
I know
that the
Libaneses
do not
gladly
hear
this -
but was
in fact
a civil
war. The
world
war, in
spite of
everything,
had been
organized,
in one
or the
other
manner.
Eh, the
civil
war was
not
organized,
therefore
if we
left
the
house in
the
morning,
we were
never
certain
that we
would
return
at
night.
And you
also
never
knew who
will
shoot on
me, or
who will
attack
me or
kidnap
me. Or
you…
your
were
waxed in
stark
unsafety.
Leo
Fijen:
And what
has that
personally
done for
you?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
What it
has done
personally
for me,
on the
first,
I have
discovered
that
people
in such
situations
can be
very
kind for
each
other,
which
seems
very
remarkable,
but,
thus,
the
neighborhood
in
which we
lived,
which
was a
kind of
ghetto,
they
were
never so
one with
each
other,
and
ensuring,
as in
that
time.
And
also,
eh, as
human
experience,
of what
you all
learned,
because
we
visited
people
during
the
night in
the
air-raid
shelters
because
there
were
always
bombardments,
and
then,
and then
at a
certain
moment I
said to
someone:
Aren't
you
frightened?
And this
- a
complete
ordinary
- woman
said:
Why
would I
be
frightened
if I
know
that I
will see
my lord
after a
couple
minutes?
But I
must add
that she
also
said:
`Father,
Father,
why has
the
Lord
revealed
us the
Trinity?
We do
not
understand
it, and
they
shoot on
us
because
of the
Trinity.
Leo
Fijen:
yes…
yes… I
taste
also
something
in your
words of
the
paradox
of
suffering?
There
was
suffering
because
of that
civil
war, but
by that
civil
war
there
was also
a
fraternisation,
there
was also
a unity
and
there
was also
an
admissibility
for the
lord.
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
Yes,
particularly,
that was
also the
experience
of Pater
Arrupe,
who had
also war
experience,
to be
general
it seems
it
is
necessary
to be
someone
who has
war
experience.
But
therefore,
Pater
Arrupe
always
said: -
and that
was also
a bit
true -
also in,
eh, in
Beirut-
`after a
terrible
night,
the
birds
sing as
if
nothing
had
happened,
life
goes on.
`
Leo
Fijen
(speaking
to
public):
He
(Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach)
brought
a
part of
his life
in
foreign
countries.
If he
stops in
January
he will
return
to the
Middle
East.
Does
Kolvenbach
himself
actually
still
feels
dutchman?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
You
cannot
remain
long in
Lebanon
without
becoming
Lebanese
and then
Amsterdam
seems
very far
away.
Leo
Fijen:
And what
does it
mean to
be
Lebanese?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
Yes, to
live
there
with the
people,
and that
whole
conflict
in the
Middle
East, to
sympathize
with
them as
a
Christian.
And that
is not
easy.
Particularly
– and
many
people
who live
there
have
experienced
this -
then it
becomes
very
difficult
to pray
the
`Lord's
Prayer
to the
end.
Because
on the
end you
ask
forgiveness,
and
that is
in the
Middle
East one
of the
difficult
points,
also for
the
Christians,
to ask
forgiveness
and to
give
forgiveness,
because
there is
practically
absolutely
no
family
which
does not
have
victims
in the
family
itself.
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach
(one
time
with Leo
Fijen
is): The
first
window -
what is
now half
open -
is a
type
cheap
goods
chamber.
Then the
second
window –
what is
also
half
open -
there
pronounces
the Pope
the
`Angelus
[B](Leo
Fijen:
[/B]
Yes, I
know
that
..yes),
and then
the
third
window
is his
sleep
chamber.
And then
afterwards
then
come
all,
that is
the
large
library,
where he
receives
normal
manner.
Leo
Fijen
(speaking
to
public):
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach
as
almost
weekly
contact
with the
pope. He
kept
dear
memories
to the
last
meeting
with
the then
serious
sick
Johannes
Paulus
the
Second.
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
And
particularly
- was
unforgettable
- the
last
conversation.
Therefore
the fact
that he
had
difficulty
to
himself
clear
and,
therefore
the
effort
he did,
to say
something
yes,
nevertheless,
and it
came
really
with
difficulty,
therefore
eh, you
could
only
admire
him. But
the
difficulty
was then
to
understand
him
because
sometimes
he
only
said one
word, if
it was a
sentence,
then you
could
always
fill it
in, but
if he
only
said one
word,
then it
was
always
difficult,
eh, to
understand,
yes,
what,
what
wants
he? Yes,
it was
really
admirable,
how
he
carried
its
sickness.
He did
absolutely
nothing
to hide
it.
Leo
Fijen
(speaking
to
public):
Kolvenbach
was and
is a
glady
seen
speakpartner
of the
popes.
He has
known
Benedictus
the
sixteenth
for
years,
but also
knows
well how
to
describe
the
previous
pope,
John
Paul
the
Second.
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
To only
talk
with
John
Paul in
itself
was
always
already
impressive.
And I
have
always
admired
him,
because
what
always
asked: -
also to
the
`Preachers
- `Do
not try
to
impose,
but to
present.
Do not
try to
impress
Christ,
but
present
Christ.`
So that
the
people,
yes ..
will
listen.
And he
had that
also in
the
personal
conversations,
that
came
very
strong
forward
with
him. He
was
himself
always a
witness.
Therefore
of what
he
himself
had
lived
through,
and what
he
himself
had
sympathized,
with
other
people.
Leo
Fijen:
You have
also
undoubtedly,
eh,
conversations,
meetings
with
the new
pope,
pope
Benedictus
the
sixteenth.
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
Well, I
know
Cardinal
Ratzinger
of
course
already
more
than 20
years,
because,
as it
happens,
as the
Head of
the Holy
Official,
if we
still
say, we
had much
contact
with
him. It
is true
that
the two
popes,
there're
both
pope,
and
large
popes,
but the
style is
changed.
John
Paul
brought
to
enthusiasm,
eh, pope
Benedictus
to
awareness
and you
can also
see that
in the
audiences.
The
number
of
people
that
come to
Rome and
listen
to the
pope has
not
diminished
and
also has
not
become
larger.
But as
John
Paul
spoke
with its
voice
and
with his
stick,
with his
gestures
and with
its
conviction,
then in
the
room,
there
was
always
movement
and then
there
was
always
enthusiasm,
and that
came
also
partial
of the
fact,
which,
eh, John
Paul,
was in
its
youth a
performer,
a actor.
And he
knew how
he had
to do
that.
Eh, the
new
pope,
has been
a
professor
for his
whole
life, a
teacher
and he
is
really a
master
of the
word.
And you
also see
that now
in the
room,
people
are
certainly
much
quieter,
they
still
make
gestures,
but
those
gestures
are are
a nod to
say:
`yes, to
what the
pope has
said is
really
true,
and that
is real
something
what
starts
us.
Leo
Fijen
(speaking
to
public):
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach
has
traveled
almost
25 years
over the
world,
in 5
continents
look up
his
brothers,
controlled
20,000
Jezuieten
worldwide,
served
the pope
of
recommendation
as
`Black
Pope`
and
written
each
year
more
than
25,000
letters.
In
January
he will
quit,
because
then a
new
superior-general
will be
chosen.
Does
this
mean
that his
task is
completed?
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach:
If I
would
answer
in the
sense of
Saint
Ignatius,
then my
answer
must be:
NO,
because,
as it
happens,
the
Jesuits
are
always
convinced
of that
you
never
complete
a task.
Everyone
who were
ever in
our
colleges
know:
A.M.D.G:
Ad
Majorem
Dei
Gloriam.
To the
greater
glory of
god. And
that
comes
because
Saint
Ignatius
loved,
comparatives.
Better
service
to
people,
deeper
love for
Christ,
greater
glorie
to God,
because
he felt
as long
as you
did not
reach
the end,
there
was
still
something
to do.
When it
is
fulfilled,
it is
completed,
the
dynamic
remains
thanks
to the
comparatives.
For this
reason
Ignatius
avoided
the
superlative,
because
if you
are the
bests,
the end
of the
history
is
there.
With
consequence
- which
I think
that
stands
also in
our
texts of
the
general
Congeraties
- that
Jesuits
are
never
satisfied
with
what is
reached,
they
always
do more.
And I
have
been
persuaded
that my
successor
has
still
much to
do.
Leo
Fijen
(speaking
to
public):
With
these
beautiful
words of
Peter-Hans
Kolvenbach
we have
come to
and end
of this
broadcast.
Tomorrow
there is
another
special
broadcast
from
Rome.
Then I
talk
with
Notker
wolf,
superior-general
of all
Benedictines
in the
world.
Leo
Fijen
(speaking
to
public):
This was
Kruispunt,
this was
Rome, I
wish you
blessed
Christmas
days.
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Facilities:
Borkus.tv
Montage:
Mark van
den Berg
Camera:
Arjen
Kroon,
Ron van
der Lugt
Sound:
Arie van
der
Steen
Production:
Albert
Aartsen
and Anne
de Laet
With
collaboration
of:
Stijn
Fens en
Lidy
Peters
Interview
and
final
editing:
Leo
Fijen
copyright
RKK 2007
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